I am pleased to publish an interview with Kristijan Krkač, a philosopher from Croatia.
1. Dear Kristijan, can you describe how you became interested in philosophy, and your training for that academic field?
First of all, Srećko thanks for this opportunity to say something almost private, yet in my opinion somewhat important for a professional job.
My interest in philosophy started, as I have been told when I was 2-3 years old. This belongs to my personal idiosyncratic mythology. I wasn’t very talkative, so my parents thought I have some kind of problem. I was mainly sitting somewhere around my parent’s house on the hills above Zagreb looking around observing plants, a cat, a dog, a canary (as well as the cat). My grandfather defended me by allegedly saying: “Leave the kid alone; don’t you see that he is thinking.” So, they left me alone.
Later on, at the beginning of high school in the Marxism textbook (this was in 1985) I saw a few lines from Wittgenstein’s TLP and I thought – This must be an extremely disturbed person. However, I cut the part of the page with the quotes and kept it with me for years.
At the beginning of the 1990s, I started studying philosophy at the Jesuit College in Zagreb. I wasn’t very much interested in philosophy, but I was good at it. Fortunately enough I met Professor Ivan Macan SJ, an expert in Wittgenstein’s philosophy and epistemology, and I became his student, later on a friend, and finally a colleague and successor on courses Analytic Philosophy, Epistemology, and on the seminar Philosophy of Ludwig Wittgenstein.
The training was another story. By Macan, but also by some other older professors we were educated in the scholastic method of analysis and argumentation, i.e. in a problem approach to philosophy. In practice, there were disputations presented in a series of theses (especially by professor M. Belić). At the same time I was trained in analytic philosophy by Macan, especially in Wittgenstein, but also encouraged to read a lot of other stuff (like classics, but also Kant, Hegel, Kierkegaard, Husserl, and Heidegger). My BA thesis was in Merleau-Ponty’s concept of space and spatiality in his Phenomenology of Perception, my MA was in Moore and Wittgenstein on an external world (on Moore’s Proof and Wittgenstein’s OC), and my Ph.D. thesis was on Wittgenstein’s work On Certainty (OC in 2003).
During more than a decade I had weekly meetings with Macan in which we discussed first and foremost Wittgenstein, but also other stuff (other philosophers, my working papers, music, history, culture, art, science, mine, and his private matters, sometimes like confessions, he always asked me are my parents, my family, friends OK, and similar).
Basically, my training was a combination of scholastic method, analytic method, and a kind of Wittgensteinian morphology (Macan often asked me: “Don’t you see, don’t you see the pattern here?” “Look closely!”). Of course, besides spending a lot of time simply laughing at various jokes (religious and others) we always spend some time in silence (a kind of examen). I was teaching at Jesuit College from 1996 to 2017. In 2003 I started teaching at Zagreb School of Economics and Management where I still teach courses Introduction to Philosophy, Critical Thinking, and Business Ethics, CSR, and Sustainability.
2. How have you integrated your research into your work as professor (you can highlight your books/articles here)?
Contrary to other philosophers, I like to present my newly published materials (in philosophy and in business ethics), but always with a particular goal concerning the level of study and the syllabus of the course. I was trained not to talk on a formal occasion such as a symposium if I didn’t have previously published material at least connected to my topic, because “consistency (if it is possible) and expertise are important”. I authored, edited, and co-edited a series of textbooks and introductions in philosophy and business ethics, so basically some of my ideas from articles are incorporated there (for the list of my publications one can check my Google Scholar account, my Croatian Scientific Bibliography account, but also Filozofija.org website where some of my e-books are published, and my full CV and bibliography is available on Scribd). Generally speaking, I am very careful concerning the incorporation of my published materials into my lectures as said depending on various circumstances.
However, I would like to mention something else related to your question. Lecturing on a topic before publishing and after it are two different things. Lecturing before publishing is a part of research and questions, objections, and replies if there are such are an indispensable part of the research process. In published papers, I often like to thank people who participated in such discussions, as well as those who participated in informal discussions apart from anonymous reviewers who also, if they are good, contribute to the final version of the article. In a way, every paper, even in humanities and even if it is authored by one person it is a product of many. Lecturing after the publication on the other hand is a different sort of thing. It should summarize the results and then the important idea surfaces slowly to the light, namely, either the corrections of the previously published research or continuation of the research in some new direction. The first possibility I did with my treatment of Wittgenstein’s thoughts on the so-called duck-rabbit head or as I coined the word “Dubbit”. I published 4 versions of the research in a period of more than 10 years in which every new version corrected some mistakes from the previous one.
If I may add something here which is surely off-topic it would be my experience as a reviewer in various international philosophical journals, associate editor at Social Responsibility Journal, a section editor in a few encyclopedias, and similar because this experience showed me that even a philosophical work is in fact in 99% of the time already incorporated into a community of experts who basically make the initial ideas much better in their final form of published material. A good reviewer is something that cannot be replaced by anything else.
3. How has the field you work in changed since you have started as a student?
Generally, internationally, and globally it didn’t change much. What was dominant at the beginning of the 1990s is still dominant at the beginning of the 2020s. So far, the 21st century in the global or at least Western philosophy is a simple continuation of what was going on in the 20th century. No new ideas, new directions, analyses, schools, etc. Some things changed. For instance, some studies of philosophy around the world have been shut down. Philosophers turned to more popular topics such as philosophy of music, philosophy of sports, philosophy of film, etc. (me included on these three topics). However, in most cases these popular philosophies aren’t as good as a philosopher or a fan of a popular topic would imagine.
A few things changed in my small national philosophical community, and I believe the similar happened in some other countries in a similar situation. Compared to the beginning of the 1990s, nowadays younger generations of philosophers, at least some percentage of them, strive to publish in very good international journals and to be internationally recognized which is excellent. At the beginning of the 1990s I remember hearing about some “old” Croatian philosophers that they are excellent and that they are experts on this or that (say, Kant, Hegel, Marx, and Heidegger, etc.) but I never saw their papers in the best international journals for these philosophers or schools of philosophy.
I remember the words of professor Macan after one symposium on philosophy and religion at the beginning of the 1990s: “Connect with the international community. There is nothing here for you. Nothing good.” So I did. Therefore, in a way, my field changed locally (nationally) at least in part, but globally it seems to be still good old 20th-century philosophy. Of course, philosophy of language isn’t the first philosophy anymore, Wittgenstein scholarly research “crossed the Styx” and become a sublime object of extremely detailed exegesis, and business ethics transformed to CSR, and nowadays to sustainability and “everything green” but surprisingly enough, corporate social irresponsibility (CSI) still plays a huge part in the global economy and business regardless of hundreds of business ethicists around the world.
4. From the perspective of your research and your own way of thinking, which, in your opinion, are the main issues someone encounters in the process of learning how to think properly?
Since I answered previous questions a bit extensively, I will keep these answers sharp, short, and completely unclear. Thinking is hard for most people. It is so because they are taught to think in the wrong way. Thinking is going on all the time; sometimes in the shadows and sometimes explicitly. The problem is that we need to think critically. This means to use (on a daily basis) rational tools of thinking, such as logic, argumentation, evidence gathering, checking, drawing correct conclusions, etc., and last but not least imagination and courage to talk critically in public regardless of consequences because this is what makes us not so much scientists, philosophers and similar, rather normal human beings. Because thinking and imagination are what brought us here in the 20th century, irrationality always draws us back to some early or even pre-human stages of “Naturgeschichte” of anatomically modern humans. In short, think critically every day on each and every occasion, because if you don’t, you will lose this ability, and have the courage to speak in a critical manner publically, because if you don’t, then your ability will have no purpose.
5. People often disagree on different things. Is there a way of learning how to listen to, and ultimately, understand the people you do not share intellectual common ground with? if you wish, you can answer as a Wittgensteinian 🙂
Disagreement is normal and it is fruitful on many occasions because it can lead to the confrontation of various “language-games”, “practices”, and even “forms of life”, but also to find the best solution to various practical problems that we as humans encounter on daily basis as individuals, cultures, societies, and civilizations.
I write these answers in extremely sad and cruel times in which that Moscow idiot and his around 200 closest associates command war crimes during the invasion of Ukraine. Now, I cannot see myself finding “a common ground” that would deny this invasion and occupation, and war crimes that are obviously committed on a daily basis. However, if one accepts this as a minimum of being fair to the facts, then we have a common ground. This seems like a practical more than an intellectual issue, but look at it closely; isn’t it a simple case of denying and acknowledging the facts? How can one share a common ground with someone else who deliberately denies the facts, lies, and falsifies all kinds of stuff (history, present situation, etc.)?
Clear concepts, checked evidence, precise arguments, and consistent conclusions are what should rule our thinking regardless of our agreement or disagreement because then we have a kind of useful common measure. Otherwise, we do not have a common ground and we can choose between silence, trying conversion of the other side to our Lebensform (on the way to Damascus), and confrontation. Each way of proceeding has its own advantages and disadvantages. In short, “Clarity is an end in itself” as Wittgenstein would say, and if one doesn’t accept clarity (in our thoughts and actions as much as it is humanly possible to us) as the bottom line, then one should perhaps instead of philosophy try art, poetry, science or similar.
6. It occurs somehow, especially in the Croatian context, that many people who are formally philosophers (by this I mean the holders of PhD degrees) do not publish enough, or publish barely a few articles during their academic careers. In your opinion, what would be the reason for this?
Yes, this is a fact. I measured it a few years ago, and it was a fact back then. Now, the reason is a different story. First, they were never philosophically brought up in this culture of daily work, and constant publishing, especially in high-quality international journals or at least trying to do so. Second, the formal rules for scientific advancement at least in humanities and in philosophy in Croatia are so low that almost anybody with a Ph.D. in time can become a full professor with an academic tenure track. Last but not least, I think that the vast majority of contemporary Croatian philosophers given that previous reasons are right are simply lazy, not original enough, and perhaps not talented for philosophy at all. However, they are where they are, paid by the state, and they do what they do, which in a certain not small percentage is close to nothing. However, who am I to comment on the fact that the state of 3.8 million citizens needs 7 studies of philosophy and more than (as some remarked to me recently) 200 philosophers?
7. What are underworked areas and topics in need of further academic research?
I don’t know. Some things should be repeated in every generation, such as critical thinking, especially in times such as these. Other things should encourage originality, creativity, imagination, and freedom of thought. I mean, I cannot speak of other areas even in humanities not to mention sciences, but I can have my say in philosophy. Namely, it seems OK if someone likes science or poetry, as Rorty would say, but this doesn’t mean that Carnap or Heidegger or for that matter Quine or Gadamer should be the cornerstones of our philosophy. What we have learned from Wittgenstein for example is that originality and creativity are the most important aspects of philosophical thinking. Chewing old texts from the history of philosophy is fine, but the history of philosophy is more a part of history than a part of philosophy. Writing crazy stuff supposedly based on some contemporary philosophy is also fine, but if it rests on wrong reading, false explication of a text, and bad analyses and arguments, then, as I said previously, perhaps one should try a seminar on creative writing rather than Philosophy 101.
Contemporary philosophy gave birth to something like an industry of publishing papers that have 0 downloads, and 0 citations, an industry that will eventually kill and eat its own child, philosophy itself. Let me finish as I have started. It happened to me on a few occasions, but the first one was extremely funny. Namely, my teacher, professor Macan, said that I should write a Ph.D. thesis proposal as well as a formal essay on 5-10 pages in English. Then he gathered similar books and paper and checked my proposal, and finally said: “Well, originality is extremely important for a Ph.D. thesis, and your proposal, that Wittgenstein was a kind of pragmatist, is by all means original. However, it sounds completely crazy to me. OK, you can do it.” So, I did it. And, more than a decade later, this topic became one of the legitimate explications of Wittgenstein’s later philosophy. Of course, this was my lucky guess. But, I had a kind of a strong hunch that this was the right direction of the analysis, and I still do, no matter if someday it turns out wrong. So, in short, besides originality also a kind of intellectual courage to try, to fail, to correct a mistake, to try again, fail again. The goal will eventually reveal itself. The way is important.